Retro AV |OT| RGB, CRTs, Upscalers, and more

That does look weird and I don’t think there are any issues mentioned on the swiss progressive list. I’m curious to try Tales of Symphony out now. It sort of has the look of native 3d DS games where the art is actually a lot better than it’s being rendered at:


From recent memory, I’ve played MK: Double Dash and Sunshine at 480p on a PC CRT and it looks really good, certainly my favourite way to play Gamecube games. I’d be curious to hear your impressions of other GC games on your PC CRT.

I think I need to put more serious time into it before I come to a conclusion but 15 mins of Wind Waker side by side gave me the same feeling; just looks better on a normal 15khz display 480i than in enhanced 480p. Everything is smoother without looking blurry and again a DOF effect stood out in 480p that just looked natural in 480i.

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Just a few years ago there were a ton of them in our area. Another of my big regrets not paying the “marked up” prices at the time for a couple that are now less than a quarter of what they go for. :c

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Well, there goes the theory that the more cartoony/‘simple’ looking GC games might fair better!

480i on a CRT is actually not as bad as it’s made out to be…like in my head I’m sure it looks like bob-deinterlacing but it’s actually way more stable.

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Wrong thread…

480i through composite on my 20’ Sharp shadow mask, bubble CRT doesn’t shimmer much at all.

I think the mask, and good comb filter, along with lower line count do wonders for interlaced content.

On Sony and other aperture grill TVs, the shimmer really stands out.

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I need to try out interlaced content on my slot mask set, it’s not too bad on my Sony consumer TV but 2D elements, like HUDs, stand out as being a bit flickery. 3D art seems to hold up better where things are usually in motion when it comes to interlacing, at least to my eyes.

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Quick question for those that have video signals split across multiple displays. How do you to it? Can I only do that with a PVM/BVM as they have video out?

An extron crosspoint switch is a cheap solution to do that. You can map an input to any number of outputs. They will generally support all video types too, composite, s-video, component and RGB.

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There are plenty of options. Most depend on what you are trying to split and what your multiple displays are. But no, not limited to PVM/BVMs, but will require some additional hardware. Anything from a scart splitter with multiple outputs to an ossc. Or even system specific things like gchd mkII being able to pass off hdmi as well as component from a Gamecube at the same time.

So yeah, what are you splitting and to what displays?

Nes.

Going to Trinitron and 1080P plasma.

With what type of output? Composite? RGB?

Nah. My NES is stock. I actually prefer the composite look.

Retrotink?

Does your plasma have composite in?

If this is just a straight split, an extron may be overkill but it will certainly do the job very easily.

You’d need to convert from RCA to BNC and back again though. It’s all very straightforward but I wonder if someone knows of a cheaper device that could handle this. If not, I’ll find you a link to a solid bnc switch.

Very true, but the conversion to and from composite (or any rca jack) is super cheap at least. You just buy some of these guys and you’re set.

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Thing is, if you also want to switch audio, then there’s a whole new bag of tricks to dive into. You will also pay a little extra to find a switch with audio support.

It does.

If you’re willing to take a small gamble on quality - I haven’t personally used these products - there’s an all-in-one solution I found:

Alternatively, the same company makes a bigger switch for more composite sources:

I feel like an Extron BNC matrix switch for something this simple would be total overkill, especially considering the audio conversion to phoenix block connectors you’d need to do. And also considering the size of those devices and the prices - it just seems like a lot for some simple composite selecting. Now, if you had a bunch of analogue consoles you wanted included in the setup, including some that had RGB and Component, with all different signals/displays to manage, rather than just the NES to the two screens, then I’d steer you in the direction of buying something more robust and industrial grade, but I imagine this device do the trick just fine for what you described.

You may experience some slight quality loss, but you’re already gaming in Composite, so it’s likely going to be good enough. If you keep your cables short, it will likely be identical in picture an sound quality, I imagine.

I play my NES and Famicom AV in composite too, by the way. And use a consumer switch like this to switch between them.

Thanks! Yeah, I have nostalgia for composite haha.

I would probably makes sense to go component, since I grow with it, no. I do have some composite systems too.

Also, quite often there is a “monitor out” on CRTs like your Trinitron. If yours has it, you could just bypass through that directly to you plasma.