Are they really small and independent? 8Bitdo and Analogue are the same people. Big business!
It’s not like they’re a couple of guys ordering some PCBs from OSH Park, slapping them in 3D printed cases, and selling them on eBay.
I like the idea of the MISTER project, it’s a real enthusiast project and continues to improve over time, I may buy one eventually.
I also like Analogue products, yes they are often expensive but they do a good job of making FPGA plug and play for people that want an almost authentic experience without using original hardware, with regards to Analogue the company have people had problems with them?
I haven’t heard anything about people losing money or not receiving goods, I’m sure if that was the case we would all know about it very quickly, the pre-order upfront payment is a bit annoying but we have to remember it’s a small company and cash flow is incredibly important.
I’m just glad we have all these choices available to us.
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If I could come back to this conversation. I think for me, if they continued to update and squash bugs and add features as time goes on, It would make me feel more forgiving of the other issues I have with them. I guess it seems that they are stretched thin on the coding/software side. Their hardware design is best in class.
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Yes I should clarify I was thinking more about how they began, as I’ve been following them from more or less the beginning, though I’m not sure they’re “big business” even now. Despite their success I imagine they’re still a pretty small outfit.
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Yes, I checked wiki earlier and Anlogue is listed as 11 people (source from 2019). No idea about 8Bitdo.
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Sounds about right.
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Really I’m getting reprimanded for calling some one a Fanboy, but dude claims a company is stealing code, and that’s ok?
Well if you want more people to hate, I have no doubt that they are stealing code, but I also never had any other expectations or assumptions. With how shady analogue seems and how open the fpga scene is I just assume everyone is “borrowing” in one form or another.
Really I’d be more offended at being called a fanperson since I have no horse in the race. I don’t actually care if/what anyone is taking from each other codewise. If it makes a better experience, do it. If I feel like paying for it I will, if not I won’t.
The real surprise to me is how fast this thread went from 0 to hardcore. And over a system that is a curiosity at best. Well at least it wasn’t over 32x stuff since that is full garbage.
Wouldn’t it be possible that they are buying the code? Does anyone have any actual evidence of these accusations, or are we all just speculating?
0% proof, 100% speculation and assumption. From me at least. Also 0% caring if they are or are not as it wouldn’t effect my choice to or not to buy their products.Which may be why I’m fine making those assumptions since how little it matters to me either way.
It’s a small community, try to disagree in a more polite way. We’re all real people here. It’s already been said, but I think you’re points will be better received if you try to be more polite and less defensive of a company that can handle themselves.
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@ShinJohnpv and @Kawika
That said, they don’t even need to be stealing. They’re all benefiting from each other’s reverse engineering which is 10x more work than implementation. When Kevtris was developing the SNES core for the Super NT he even submitted findings back to Byuu so that bsnes could be improved.
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This was kinda my point. Someone maps a chip and if that chip is in other machines you don’t have to develop it yourself, you just use that. If analogue wanted to they could see what the git hub has on these cores. You can use that to improve your own code and honestly no one will know. Stealing is a blunt way to say it but there is no real reason why you wouldn’t look at that code even if you developed your own code independently. And i fully believe PSX will be on MiSTer before Analogue makes it. What would impress me is if they did N64 or Saturn. Neo Geo Pocket on the Analogue Pocket might be the only core they have MiSTer doesn’t.
Yeah @apathetic agreed. 16 bit is still my favorite gen and i know I’ll feel the fomo if I don’t get it. I’m just worried about analogue on so many levels. I do a lot of mfg overseas and Covid only hurt me from Jan-May. They have really long lead times. From design and sample stage to production of my much more complicated products (outside of the electronics) is rarely over 6-9 months.
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I mean, if it’s on GitHub, it’s probably open source, so it’s not stealing.
If it’s not open source code/diagrams/engineering, then it’s stealing.
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Kevtris didn’t share what he promised, which was all the timings and information he had learned from the SNES PPU’s, that was Byuu’s motivation for helping out with the Super NT and he was clearly pissed that he went back on his word to share.
However there is every chance that once kev and Taber underwent fusion that it was decided such important stuff would be kept to themselves as that is pretty much the only part of the Super NT that you can say without doubt is more accurate than current software emulation.
I saw one update in Higan crediting Kevtris relating to somthing to do with controller polling if I remember correctly, which whist welcome is nothing compared to what Analogue gained from Byuu telling then about all the edge cases and weird hardware behaviour that will break certain games.
Open source still has stipulations on how the code can be used, if he did use Furrtek’s work to build a PC Engine core (which I don’t believe he did) then they have to say as much, which is similar for all this stuff we are dealing with. If they don’t give credit for it or use it in a way the the license forbids ie commerial use then it kind of is as bad as stealing, think of the Retron 5 using Retroarch and all those cores without permission for example.
Yeah that’s worse than I thought. Like ultimately using open community documentation/discoveries and not sharing back findings is 
It depends on the licence. Sometimes you need to give credit, and sometimes you don’t.
Often no credit is needed, but you can’t take the code and turn around and sell it with a product.
I like you ShinJohnpv. This wasn’t meant to be a reprimand.
I just want everyone to be nice to each other. Saying someone is a “raving lunatic” isn’t necessary to make your argument. It’s as simple as that.
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I can’t think of anything related to the open source reverse engineering of original hardware that doesn’t have at least a general purpose license viewable on GitHub, credit and a copy of that license with its permissions is very much required for what we are dealing with in this instance.
Yeah for sure. Does anyone in here have looks to the reverse engineering stuff we’re talking about? I’d love to take a look at it.