WTB: Framemeister XRGB-Mini - EU / UK (Poland)

Hi, I got huge SNES/NES collection stat’s sitting unused on the shelves, because I got no TV, only Monitors with HDMI/DP inputs.
So I would like to buy Framemeister XRGB-Mini (with exras like RGB cables, etc), preferably from Europe Union or United Kingdom (I’m from Poland, but there’s such stuff is nearly non-existant, but shipping from Europe Union and United Kingdom is easy and straightforward - no Import Taxes, etc).

Curious to know if you’ve considered any other scalers?

Hmm…Framemeister was always top-notch quality and compatibility for me. Most scalers supports only composite or s-video/component or RGB, and I would prefer to got all-in-one device.
Framemeisters were awlays too pricey for me, and now they are still, but with prices of discontinued framemeister goiup up now, I would like to buy it when they are still avaible for $400-$500. I missed one auction over the weekend for a good price and now very dissapointed.
I don’t have pressure to buy OSSC, because it’s opensource, so will be available forever and it doesn’t support anything composite/s-video. And I guess that in future there will be 4K/UHD version.
Currently I got only NES/SNES collection, so composite and RGB is a must, but who knows the futuire

Maybe check out this thread, see the recent video from RetroRGB GBS 82XX - Upscale, deinterlace and now downsample

And Welcome!

But it’s only analog upscaler without HDMI/DisplayPort output, right?
I would prefer to go flatpanel (CRTs takes space, big CRTs take enormous portions of space, money). I got family and wife, they don’t like mine electronics, so I guess I couldnt make them (except 2yr son) more angry then by bringing 50’ CRT :wink:
And about VGA connector, I think it’s already deprecated and many modern displays doesn’t provide support for it.
I’m also not sure about all this low-latency stuff and I would be ever able to see 1-2 missing frames.
But thanks for reply, I’m definitely open for way cheaper alternatives, but I hope that one day I would be able to obtain XRGB-mini for a good price too.

There’s a similar board with HDMI out, or you can use a VGA to HDMI adapter (no lag). Many people are already doing this.

I use it with my flat panels, one with VGA>DVI input and the other VGA>HDMI.

You can put it in a case, of course.

It has less lag than Framemeister as you can see in the video.

Anyway, for more scaler advice: Retro AV |OT| RGB, CRTs, Upscalers, and more

“There’s a similar board with HDMI out” - could you name it?
Does it supports RGB, S-video and composite as input?
Does it works with 50Hz and 60Hz? (I need PAL/NTSC compatiblity for
modded SNES + PAL NES compatiblity)

Like this https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32837186422.html

It’s the GBS board with an added VGA to HDMI circuit. So, it’s no better than a plain GBS with external VGA to HDMI converter. Perhaps less good because your bound to that VGA to HDMI converter, and it’s not as widely used as the plain GBS board.

The processor on the GBS supports digital out but this board doesn’t use it.

Same inputs as GBS, that is VGA, Component and RGB (SCART if you wire it).

The GBS does support 50/60Hz.

Was going to recommend the OSSC instead, but you already covered that. Good luck!


Thanks for al lthe replies.
Now I feel even more confused than before.

  1. So you say that GBS board is every way better than XRGB-mini or
    only cheaper? (I wonder if it would be worth to hunt for cheap
    XRGB-mini anyway, and what’s a good price for it)

  2. About GBS with built-in HDMI, it’s better to buy standard GBS board
    with VGA out and separate HDMI converter? I wonder about HDMI
    converter compatibility with such non-standard VGA signals, and later
    Display/TV compatibility with possibly non-standard HDMI signal. Which
    HDMI converter should I choose them to get good sharp picture, good
    compatibility and low lag?

  3. Which GPS board should I choose? If I understand good the newer
    revision, the more noisy video and audio output it gets.

  4. As I understand good I need to add SCART adapter to it, so it will
    be another $20-$40. Like the one you mentioned:

I would prefer to get SCART input that would support RGB + S-Video +
Composite, because then I can use multiport SCART switch, that got
buttons to force RGB, etc, so I can connect easily multiple consoles
and switch between them.

  1. Which scanline generator should I get? I know there are VGA and
    HDMI ones, and McBazel HDMI gots very hot and makes problems then, so
    probably not poperly cooled or overclocked chip.

  2. How does it compares to OSSC, etc, especially when I would prefer
    to got all RGB+S-video+composite input somehow? As I understand for
    both of this solution I would need few converters(not simple adapters)
    for input and possibly HDMI output. So the price I guess would bee
    $100-$300 for all the needed components (I guess that the most pricy
    component would be VGA-HDMI converter)

  3. Maybe the easiest solution would be to buy some video grabber and
    process everything on PC? (I wonder if there are any decent video
    grabbers supporting RGB+Composite+S-video) working with linux for a
    good price?

The is perhaps the wrong thread for in-depth discussion of the GBS.

  1. I can’t judge for you, but it’s better for lag and price.

  2. Many people are using such an adapter. Google or head to GBS thread on shmups forum. There’s a recommended VGA to HDMI.

  3. I bought V4 which is the currently recommended one. If you suffer from noise, there are ways to mitigate it.

  4. it can only do Component and RGB. It has a built-in VGA port for RGB, or you can add-on another connector, like SCART.

    If you are really tied to Composite (I would ask why?) then the GBS is not for you unless you can find a CVBS to YPBPR converter.

  5. No idea sorry. GBS has built in support for scanlines on 240p content.

  6. Forthcoming RetroRGB will show it compares very favourably.

  7. I don’t know what you mean about this idea. But it sounds like trouble to me.

#. Are you sure about V3?
“V4, GBS-8200 board, has a switchmode power converter, whereas the V3
board has a linear regulator.”

V5 got also switching supply, while there are many 8220 V3 on
ebay/amazon, but they want $30 for them. But maybe if they provide
more stable picture(I guess that stable voltage from VRM is also good
for reliability, maybe it’s worth to pay.
But not sure about other/functional differences.
And there’s also HD9800, but after reading many posts that’s
problematic, because of subtle differences in surrounding components.

  1. RGB is enough for SNES. But composite is needed for NES (there’s no
    easy RGB mod for NES). And s-video would be useful for other consoles
    and completeness.

I don’t know anything about the difference between V3 and V4.

FWIW, I have V4 and the image is stable for me in my setup.

It’s great to ask about your concerns on the “official” shmups thread.

To save cross-posting, here’s more about GBS